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Ok, I just read the facts they list and state and I come away with a very different perspective. XMPP for all but the most advanced end users is dead at google. If they are using the protocol internally matters little if the user experience and federation is broken.


It's a real shame, too, because XMPP had the potential to become the next HTTP or the next email.

I've said for years that instant messaging is a terrible hellscape of competing protocols, mostly proprietary.

Imagine if when visiting a website you had to remember whether or not it's HTTP, XYYZ, or FKME before typing the URL.

Imagine if all email addresses couldn't communicate with each other.

That's what IM is like today, and it's a terrible, terrible shame.

Google was in a position to change all that when they adopted XMPP for Google Talk.

If they stuck with federating, maybe things would be different now.


> Google was in a position to change all that when they adopted XMPP for Google Talk.

I'd add to that that if they considered XMPP inferior for whatever reason, they were in position to change it by opening up Hangouts like XMPP-next or whatever. They simply betrayed the whole effort.


Exactly, if they wanted to propose XMPP 2.0 like they did with HTTP, they could have done so.


They didn't want to fix IM, they wanted a captive audience using something that at the time required Google+.

That sounds like a familiar trend for so many Google properties in the last few years...


> Imagine if when visiting a website you had to remember whether or not it's HTTP, XYYZ, or FKME before typing the URL.

Old farts like me don't have to imagine it. In the mid 90s, gopher and nntp URLs were quite common. It wasn't a big deal.

> Imagine if all email addresses couldn't communicate with each other.

That used to be a massive problem, but Eric Allman solved it before my time.


> That used to be a massive problem, but Eric Allman solved it before my time.

Is there some good historic overview of this issue for e-mail?


This looks like a good start. You'll need to use the Wayback machine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sendmail#External_links


Thanks for the pointer!


Oh, I think we can agree that the situation is far from ideal. But this is to note that nothing has actually changed recently, as opposed to what has been written last week. With the exception of Voice over the old GTalk network, that is. And, of course, to highlight again that Google had the best way to describe why it is important to have choice, and then removed that choice.


Agreed. With how much is disconnected between Hangouts and XMPP federation, I don't think you can call XMPP at Google "alive".




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