If you care about the artist here pay them directly either through bandcamp, by going to the physical shows and buying merch, ordering physical copies of their music at the label, patreon, or whatever form of direct support they have set up.
Spotify is just leeching of the culture and as drew pointed out you will be 10000 times more effective if you use one of those options.
Spotify is more or less just a signal booster nowadays - because you have to be on there since everyone uses it.
I for one would never put my music on Spotify, even if I get what like 20$ out of it, what a horrible company and service.
Bandcamp is widely used all over the world. My band made 6 times more money from Bandcamp than from all the streaming sites combined. People from all over Europe, USA, Canada and Australia bought our music.
Europe, US, Canada and Australia is your whole world? Local metal guys I know is on Spotify and not on Bandcamp. I wonder what you think of that. I’m in Asia btw, largest continent of the world.
I listed four other concrete options and closed with “or whatever other direct support method they have set up” — I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_ besides Spotify since it’s practically impossible to make money through them.
> I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_ besides Spotify since it’s practically impossible to make money through them.
you are wrong in your assurances( eg: i am listening to this on spotify at the moment Odeon Yılları Album by Nesrin Sipahi ) and your "other options" have nothing to do with how you listen to their music. Ppl listening on spotify also go to concerts they are not mutually exclusive.
No idea who that artist is. It something spotify recommended and I am into it.
I didn't find that artist on bandcamp or any other non-streaming platforms. only on spotify, youtube, apple music. Are they not equivalent, didn't realize you were making a point specifically about spotify.
And yes I will surely go to that artist concert if they are in my area. Me listening to on spotify has nothing to do with it. If anything I would've never found that music if it wasn't for spotify.
Nesrin Sipahi is a far cry from a small indie artist that relies on support by their fan base.
And there are many options to buy her music as physical copies directly from her labels.
Of course it’s fine to use Spotify to listen to music and find new artists - I’m saying the worst way to pay artists that rely on their fan base for income.
> Nesrin Sipahi is a far cry from a small indie artist that relies on support by their fan base.
Who said this though?
This is what you originally said.
> If you care about the artist here pay them directly either through bandcamp
I responded to this
> I assure you that every artist that wants to make money will have set up _something_
Why did you bring 'far cry from a small indie artist ' into the picture all of sudden when you said 'every' in original comment.
Your original comment was about 'small indie artist' only ? You should've said 'small indie artist will always set up something' if you meant that.
agree that might be true for small artists.
I read you comment, looked at what spotify was playing on my speakers and posted that comment because you said 'every'. I really have no idea who that artist was or even what language that is.
Your comment wouldn't have been worthy of a response if you had said 'small artists'. Because thats well known problem with all streaming platforms and not just music.
Now looks like you are not even saying 'small artists' . It only applies arists who are not 'well known' ? No idea what you are even trying to say. Maybe use some precision ?
I would suggest you educate yourself a little bit about the culture you consume.
The artist you chose is extremely well known and about 85 years old so I can’t take your example serious.
Of course I can’t give an extremely precise category of artist that is better paid directly than through Spotify - but everyone reading that argument in good faith knows what is meant.
You just choose to read it in the most unfavourable way imaginable.
Seriously, I would rather visit Bandcamp a 100 times than use Spotify, even though the website player of Bandcamp sucks and I need a user script to regulate the volume of it.
So, instead of interfacing with the actual argument (which is that Spotify pays almost nothing and if you really want to support an artist you actually pay them directly), you decide to zero in that one singular platform of many is not available where you think it should be?
If you didn’t want to support artists you can just say so and cut out the gymnastics.
Spotify is just leeching of the culture and as drew pointed out you will be 10000 times more effective if you use one of those options.
Spotify is more or less just a signal booster nowadays - because you have to be on there since everyone uses it.
I for one would never put my music on Spotify, even if I get what like 20$ out of it, what a horrible company and service.